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Pattison, Pattinson or Patterson
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* January 21, 2021, 06:37:50 PM
I am looking for a death date for John Pattison sometimes recorded as Pattinson or Patterson on census records
His death occurred between 1891 and 1901. 
In 1891 he was living at 51 Water Street as a widower (Ann) Also in the house were his daughter in law Elizabeth and grandchildren.  He had previously been a watch/clock maker.


* January 22, 2021, 01:30:40 PM
You didn't say when he was born - that would help in finding the right death. I assume you mean he was living in Water Street, Carlisle?

I found the following death notices in Carlisle papers between March 1891 and April 1901, searching for John PATTISON, John PATTINSON, John PATTESON, John PATERSON and John PATTERSON:

In the North Cumberland Reformer of Saturday 08 Sep 1894 (p. 3, col. 6):

PATTINSON.---At Edentown, on the 3rd inst., John PATTINSON, aged 83 years.

In the Carlisle Patriot of Friday 19 Mar 1897 (p. 5, col. 7):

PATTERSON.---At St. John's Wood, London, on the 7th inst., JOHN PATTERSON, formerly of West Newton and Carlisle, aged 70 years.

In the Carlisle Journal of Friday 28 Dec 1900 (p. 3, col. 8 ) :

PATTERSON.---At Cockermouth, on the 19th inst., John PATTERSON, aged 84 years.


* January 22, 2021, 01:42:27 PM
By the way, the 78-year-old John PATTINSON, who in 1891 lived with his daughter-in-law Elizabeth in Mullins [?] Court, Water Street, was a Millwright so I am not sure whether that would be the right one - you don't easily change your job from watch/clockmaker to millwright.


* January 22, 2021, 03:48:44 PM
Thanks for your response.  He was born in Hexham Northumberland.  Married Ann Walton in 1841.  The 1871 census shows him living in Botchergate at 15 water street.  Does this help?


* January 22, 2021, 04:08:48 PM
What an extraordinarily versatile man. In 1841 he was a Clock Maker Journeyman, in 1851 he was a Mechanic, in 1861 a General Mechanic, in 1871 a Clock Maker, in 1881 a General Labourer, and in 1891 a Millwright.

And you are right, it is definitely him in the 1891 census with daughter-in-law Elizabeth.

Of the death notices I found, the only one where the age roughly fits is the death in 1894 - but no guarantee it is the right one.


* January 22, 2021, 04:17:10 PM
I checked on FreeBMD. The only John PATT* born between 1810 and 1815 whose death was registered in Carlisle District between 1891 and 1911 was the one from the death notice in 1894:

Sep 1894   John PATTINSON     83     Carlisle   10b   285

So there is a good chance he was your man.

It is of course possible that he died elsewhere - but as he had lived in Carlisle for such a long time, that is fairly unlikely.


* January 22, 2021, 04:27:56 PM
Ah, he may not be the right one after all.

This is the death notice in the Carlisle Journal of Friday 07 Sep 1894 (p. 3, col. 8 ) :

PATTINSON.---At the residence of his nephew, J. P. LOWES, Edentown, on the 3rd inst., John PATTINSON, of Eden Holme, Wetheral, aged 83 years.

Do you know whether your John had a nephew with the surname LOWES, and whether he had moved to Wetheral?


* January 22, 2021, 04:37:17 PM
I have found the John PATTINSON who died in 1894 in the 1891 census and he is not yours. He lived at Eden Holme in Wetheral Parish, a widower aged 79, born in Farlam, and a Retired Joiner & Cabinet Maker. He lived with his son Michael H. PATTINSON and family, who was a Chemist and born in Scotland.


* January 22, 2021, 06:32:55 PM
well you have certainly cleared a lot up for me so thank you.  Living in Canada means its hard to do research this far back.  I have 2 death dates , the one in September which is now dismissed and another in July 1894 Vol 10B pg 139 so I am thinking this is the correct one and will send for the death certificate as soon as the register office is open. :) :) :)


* January 22, 2021, 06:40:34 PM
You can order directly from the General Register Office online.

They may be a bit slower than usual but they are processing orders.


* January 22, 2021, 06:42:21 PM
Where did you get the "July" one from? It is not on FreeBMD.


* January 22, 2021, 09:00:56 PM
do you know I cant remember but just looked through my notes and realized I had already sent for the september 1894 certificate and it was not the right one so that is confirmation.  My notes do say that the July one is under the PATTINSON name.  Thanks for letting me know that I can order another certificate as I thought everything in England was in lockdown.